Transformation. Change. Transition. Different words with the same meaning: the call to break habits. This is already not easy for us in our private lives. How does this work in an organizational context? What is exactly behind it? In order to clarify these two elementary questions, in the current episode "Corporate Transformation" of "2 Strangers for Mobility" two people, who have a lot of change expertise, talk to each other: our Chief Operating Officer Jörg Lamparter meets transformation expert and author Sabine Kluge. A conversation that brings facts, suggestions for improvement and wishes for the future on the table, but also questions the topics critically. One question in particular stands out: What roles do managers play when it comes to transformation?